it will have a negligible effect on the environment and hopefully the supply situation. also refineries here, some going back on-line, helping -- they're getting repaired. so we should see relief sometime soon. most experts say we'll see that relief coming slow, that we haven't reached the peak as of yet. but over the next couple of weeks, perhaps by thanksgiving, we could see prices on the decline. but for now, looks like we might be dealing with pry high prices here. >> steve: how many refineries are off line right now, causing the spike? >> there are a number of big ones. one in northern california where there was a fire last -- we only have 14 refineries here in california. so if you have just a couple, like five of them off line, then we could see certainly a spike here in the gas. the real big issue is that regulation, the california regulation that wouldn't allow any of these oil companies to release that winter blend. so now that they can release the winter blend, we could see relief. >> gretchen: thanks very much for that update. coming up, the way president oba